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How do you get your kid to do quiet time?

Honestly, I feel like I have no control in this area.

He hasn't napped on his own in 2 years.  He will nap at school, of course and sometimes when he falls asleep in the car.  My 2 year old dd doesn't nap on her own either, so I get no break.

I've tried to do quiet time with ds.  I did the quiet time boxes with different stuff in it.  I've tried music with snacks and books.  I've tried demanding it.  I've tried a timer.  Nothing works.  He comes out 5 minutes later and says he's all done.  I don't want to lock him in like friends have suggested because I don't think that fosters a good feeling about quiet time.

So, any help for me?  I really want them to have some quiet time without it being in front of a screen.

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